Ladue School Board Discusses Possible Changes to Bus Routes, Bell Times

The opening of a new fifth grade center next year could bring about changes in the school’s transportation logistics.

In August of next year, the Ladue School District will officially open the district’s new Fifth Grade Center at its West Campus location in Creve Coeur.

A new district building could bring changes to the district’s bus routes and bell times. 

The Ladue Board of Education discussed this issue at their latest monthly meeting Monday, where members were given a report created by the company Transfinder, which offered them several options on what possible changes could occur for students next year.

“When we open the new Fifth Grade Center, we are going to have to figure out how to transport students safely and efficiently, while keeping an eye on costs,” said Susan Dielmann, spokesperson for the district. “Some options the Board may consider include changes in start and end times, or a change in the order in which schools start.”

Dielmann said the board has a lot of options on the table, so a decision is not likely to be made until their first meeting in January. 
Some of the options presented include major reductions in bus runs at all levels in order to save money and provide transportation for the Fifth Grade Center. However, those options may include safety and logistical issues which take them out of consideration.


Editors note: an earlier version of this article incorrectly characterized the changes students would see in bus transportation next year. A corrected version appears above.

flyoverland November 28, 2012 at 03:16 PM
Historically, Ladue has been overly generous with transportation of students. I would often see a mother standing on the corner waiting for the kid's bus and I could actually see the school's driveway. I was told by the former Supt. that as long as there was room on the bus and we are driving by, why wouldn't we pick them up? I guess the only reason would be if that bus was used to its optimal capacity, there wouldn't be room for those living nearby. I am not sure if that is still the case. When I was in school (not here, certainly not here, as the public schools also transported the parochial school kids and that would never fly here), the minimum distance was two miles. We lived 1.999 miles from school. The kids next door rode the bus and because we only had one car and my dad left for work at 5:30, we had to walk, rain, sleet or snow. I think the district has the right to set a firm distance and expect that parents living closer can get their kids to school on their own. Also, I am not sure if those are your notes at the bottom of the story, or what?
CreveCoeurDad November 29, 2012 at 02:26 AM
The problem Ladue has is not the distance, it's the streets involved. I'm not sure we want a kindergartner crossing Olive during morning rush hour even if the distance is less that a mile. Streets in the district are also a tremendous number of cul de sacs feeding out to main roads. Looking at the map, most of Spoede's attendance area is less than a mile from school as the crow flies, but you can't get there from here, as there are no thru streets from Graeser or Mosley to Spoede. Are there solutions? Yes, and looking at the presentations options, I would think aligning the 5th grade center with the high school would make the most sense - provided you separated the 5GC and HS bus stops and you cut out some of the high school routes. Because so many kids drive to the HS, the buses are tremendously underutilized - but you still have to have some sort of transportation for them as 9th and 10th graders don't have parking places or can't drive. Long term, the school district should also work with the municipalities to set up bike/walking paths to feed the schools. For example, Morwood to Chalet and Chalet to Colonial Hills, which then feeds into the back of Spoede. This would save the district long-term money on buses, benefit the kids healthwise by having them walk, reduce traffic, and improve the neighborhoods in general by making them more bike and pedestrian friendly. Surely there are state or federal dollars to do this as well.
flyoverland November 29, 2012 at 02:29 PM
The solution is the parents should take them. Simple.
CreveCoeurDad November 29, 2012 at 03:34 PM
Except that it never is that simple. you think everyone is just like you, with your situation and your money. Newsflash - they're not.
flyoverland November 29, 2012 at 04:02 PM
I guess I do not understand your point. I find it difficult to imagine that anyone would can afford to live in the Creve Coeur portion of the Ladue School District does not either have a car, or the time to walk a few blocks. When my daughter was in grade school, I found the time to not only drive her to school every day, but also walk her inside to the classroom and I was running a large company at the time. It is simply a priority.
CreveCoeurDad November 29, 2012 at 04:44 PM
Ah ha! And here's where we part company with the rest of the world... "I found the time to not only drive her to school every day, but also walk her inside to the classroom and I WAS RUNNING A LARGE COMPANY at the time. It is simply a priority." (Emphasis added.) Note that you didn't work for a large company, you ran it. Did you tolerate your employees coming in late because they were walking their children to their classrooms? There is a vast difference between being The Man and working for The Man. The Man gets to take his child to school every day and walk her to her classroom. Those who work for The Man, do not.
flyoverland November 29, 2012 at 05:16 PM
I not only tolerated it, I encouraged it. I also encouraged women to have children and made time for them to have the necessary appointments needed during pregnancy and to have flex time to attend school events and other appointments. If you are pro-life, you should also be pro-child. I've done a lot of things, but it isn't really about me as much as you'd like to change the subject which is people can arrange to take their own children to school. Ah ha, the man, indeed. Please get serious.
CreveCoeurDad November 29, 2012 at 05:58 PM
Congratulations on being so enlightened. Not everyone works for such an employer.
flyoverland November 29, 2012 at 07:41 PM
Every employee got stock options, too.
PaulRevere November 29, 2012 at 09:00 PM
I would ask every Parent sending their child to public school to "PAY for the bus service". No mileage minimums necessary. Your financial ability to pay for school bus service is the question here. It's a simple question. Can you afford to pay a bus service to get your children "educated". If not, then the public real estate tax would pay it for you. Now, isn't that fair? Or do you actually want others to get your children dressed and picked up to get "educated", while you are financially able to do it yourself. No secret about my feelings here. School buses, athletics, stadiums, football programs, excessive theaters, new auditoriums, union wages-massive pensions-early retirements are all open for discussion in my books. It is time for all parents to fork up more public school costs, IF their child is going to that school. "Education" is all that should be shared by your neighbors. We are in the 21st century paying and supporting a Public school system that has gone way beyond the "Basic Education cost" needs of the people. School buses and Nurses and condom costs and child therapist are and should be SEPARATELY BILLED TO ALL PARENTS WHO MAKE OVER $50,000 family. That's my starting point for "free Education" Just because other schools have a facility does not mean your public school deserves it "free". Teacher wages need to be limited to private school teacher wages. Teacher abilities are the same. Thousands of dollars would be freed for Bus service.
CreveCoeurDad November 29, 2012 at 09:13 PM
Well, there goes the neighborhood...
St. Louis is a destination November 30, 2012 at 02:00 AM
Paul, You do realize that Paul Revere went to public school (North Writing School). He did not pay to go there. To paraphrase the Bard... Irony, thy name is Paul Revere.
flyoverland November 30, 2012 at 03:05 AM
But, he rode his own horse.
St. Louis is a destination November 30, 2012 at 03:26 PM
He would have had to wait for the 20th century for a bus.
St. Louis is a destination November 30, 2012 at 05:13 PM
flyoverland, Revere lived in the North End, the same location as his school. His walk was a fraction of your boyhood experience.
flyoverland November 30, 2012 at 06:02 PM
Well, my dad worked in a factory. We were not in the silver business.
PaulRevere November 30, 2012 at 06:06 PM
St LouisDestin: Would you like to get the "North Writing School" operating $ budget for all of us. Compare that to the current PS budgets. Line by line. Then, we will proceed with your point! Are would you want me to get that for you. Would you also like to show me North's- Athletic fields and "Horses" providing the transportation and the tennis courts and those auditoriums that North and all other Public schools in my era offered for "FREE".? St LouisDest: you might like to mock a name, even tho you "know me NOT" Once the Residents of Missouri are educated about the "money sucking" public school system, your types will be earning "fair wages" . Just as our President wants.
St. Louis is a destination November 30, 2012 at 06:08 PM
Citing your previous comment, I am sure the factory owner would have been fine with your father being late to work to take you to school.
PaulRevere November 30, 2012 at 06:15 PM
StlouisDest: Obsessed with a name? I call it unqualified diversion. Well my name just may be the way to win a Presidency. I'll campaign on Horse. I'll pray with bible in hand, "I'll build a small schoolhouse to demonstrate any non-union well educated individual can Teach at "Free Public schools". I'll also eliminate everyone's Real Estate taxes. You just don't want to argue your points --Do you.? Instant identification. I might consider it!
PaulRevere November 30, 2012 at 06:19 PM
One correction: I would eliminate the "Public school tax portion" of all Real Estate and Automobile taxes. They are supposed to be "FREE". I would , of course pay the rest of my Real Estate tax bills.
PaulRevere November 30, 2012 at 06:22 PM
The neighborhood was there way before you came and will be there after. One difference, People will be able to choose how they get their education. Our education system is currently a "PONZI SCHEME". Every Resident will eventually see that.
St. Louis is a destination November 30, 2012 at 06:38 PM
The definition of irony is the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning. You continually bash public education, yet you chose an internet alias that goes against your endless tirades. Maybe you missed that day in school.
PaulRevere November 30, 2012 at 09:20 PM
To StLouisDest: It is not Public Education that I "bash". IT IS PUBLIC EMPLOYEE non-competitive PAYS/Pensions that I DO BASH. Are you too scared to put that to a voter ballot? How about each district s voters deciding the Teacher pay structures? How about allowing those businesses in the district having a VOICE in district matters. How about our Boards fully disclosing ALL the taxes that will rise?
flyoverland November 30, 2012 at 11:05 PM
I wasn't spoiled enough to expect him to take off work. I walked and I survived. I will mention that when my sister entered school some years later, my dad made the school board measure the distance from the back boundary of our yard and it made the 2 mile limit by a blade of grass.


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