Tell me this. Guns by themselves are not any more dangerous then cars or a bottle of Beer is it by themselves they do nothing they are all three just objects wright it is the person handeling each of them that is the problem. WHAT are we to do outlaw all three of them or do we need to outlaw the people using them in the wrong way .

If you go to any gun show in Missouri, Illinois, [or any other state] and try to buy a gun from a dealer you will be required to fill out a ATF Form 4473 and undergo a background check. MO uses NICS (National Criminal Instant Background Check).

Normally a dealer (FFL) can ONLY transfer ownership of firearms at the place of business printed on their license. They are also allowed to sell at gun shows. But they still need to perform background checks on ANYONE that attempts to purchase a firearm from them. They must maintain sales records for TWENTY years, and denials for FIVE years.

Dealers that do not abide are not just looking at looking their license and SIX-figure fines......they are looking at JAIL TIME.

Anyone who knows about assault rifles know the Millitary rifles are assault rifles and they are fully automatic theses types are semi autosays for the potential to kill mass amounts of people person who says which means you have to pull the trigger each time to fire it. So you have time to

think about it which makes itpremediated .Also for the person who says beer or cars will not kill mass amounts people they need to check the numbers get a life.

I just started a gun violence petition on the White House petitions site, We the People. Will you sign it? http://wh.gov/Q2v3

I dont see any new laws being imposed. It will have to pass the house and there is virtually no chance I see that happening - they dont have enough votes.

No new law will be passed unless the average citizen comes forward to insist on tighter gun laws. I have signed Euge's petition above. But John S is right about objecting to the part, "Make gun manufactures liable for harm caused by their products", as being impractical. There are many other things that need to be tried.

1) Banning of military style weapons. This includes to many bullets. [Lets give the deer a chance for Gosh sakes.]
2) Background checks on every transfer on a gun. Including gun shows and internet.

If we don't do anything in January, then no laws will be possible until next more the 20 toddlers will be wasted. I heard that this latest incident makes the average of 8 youngsters killed every day.

I would encourage to everyone to take a small step and sign Euge's petition above. You will have to create an account, but it took me a minute. Worth the time if it saves one life.

The AR-15 is not an "assault weapon" and "AR" stands for ArmaLite not assault rifle. The liberal media needs to educate themselves before they speak. Gun laws will not solve a thing. Anyone could have killed just as many defenseless children with a kitchen knife. It didn't have to be a rifle.

Banning alcohol has already been done, it was actually an amendment to the constitution now cars on the other hand, no that wont work either i think it was Issac Newton who wrote "an object at rest remains at rest until acted upon by an unstable force" remove the unstable force?

How bout we make murder illegal, that should work! Right? Same thing will happen with your gun control laws.. people will still own these weapons.

Isn't it interesting that the people most outspoken about banning assault weapons are also the same ones who have body guards protecting them.

ReverePaul, John was talking about those that are more equal than the rest of us, the politicians and bureaucrats, and judges. We could put an armed officer in every school if we took away the bodyguards from our elected officials, without having to raise taxes. Whose life is more valuable? Your child or a politician? I vote to protect the kids.

I thought the shooter left the AR in the car. He used two hand guns.

Hey guys, if the federal government passed a bill restricting the sale of assault weapons, with all the assault weapons already in the hands of law abiding citizens and the criminal ellement plus all those that would be grandfathered in, (already manufactured and ready for sale), there would be enough assault weapons to arm every man, woman, child, dog, cat and possibly a dozen or so bunny rabbits in the country...

Unfortunately if an unsub, (unknown person), wants to kill either with a knife, vehicle, gun or what ever there is little if anything anyone can do to stop them, unless, someone is right there will to risk their own life to stop him.

One day a person is a reasonable responsible individual and the next day he's killing everyone he can.

Therer is no real answer, banning assault weapons is not the answer.

Think about it.

Playing army isnt the answer either.

...if you feel the need for an AR or AK type weapon you are indeed playing army. Tools for injuring and killing people plain and simple.

Thanks foxxydrummer. That's exactly what I meant.

Dr D:
I agree with everything you say. Very well put. Except the part about banning guns. Guns are like cars. They are ecessary to live. But in the wrong hands (drunks for example) lives may be lost. We realize that we must have control. Each manufacture one gets a special number (VIN). You must be of age. You must practice. You must pass a test and get a license. You must renew the license periodically. You must get insurance to use in public. You must obey the police enforcement of local laws (Speed Kills / Don't drink and drive). You must pay tolls in certain areas.

We have some crazy laws in order to put up with crazy people (like taking your shoes off in order to get into an airplane). So if guns are important to you, then you should follow the necessary rules. I wonder if Santa will give me a gun tomorrow.

I don't think most of everyone here realizes how many of these weapons are already out there. I've personally seen their mass sales at all the large gun shows (and small ones too) since Obama and the Democratic party took control of Congress in 2008. We're talking millions upon millions. Multiply that by about a dozen for high capacity magazines. Then add in billions of rounds of ammunition sold since 2008 (I've seen empty pallets stacked to the ceiling in large commercial buildings after these shows).

Ruger's stock is up about 500% since 2008. Smith and Wesson's is up around 400%. These are actual figures you can check. Obama, Eric Holder and the Democratic Party have been the greatest gun salespeople in the history of the United States. They've just been waiting for the right tragedy to get the legislation they want. Banning future sales will do nothing, There's about 100 million out there in private citizen's hands already. Try taking them away and it will be a blood bath. All we can do is target the people who commit these horrible crimes and get control that way.

And by the way, the Obama Administration has an ally in gun control:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/12/18/China-Demands-US-Citizens-Be-Disarmed?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BreitbartFeed+%28Breitbart+Feed%29

Maybe they'll call in our debt to try and force the issue and gain more dominance over us.

FedUpVet
You see this problem correctly. I know of no one who really believes guns should be taken away. I believe it would be a big job to make gun licenses renewable, but doing so would help identify gun problems.

Sorry, I did not use your link to "breitbart" because of his attitude towards compromising.

Dr. Detroit
I think everyone may be missing the point, a school can be ringed with federal troops, armed police on every floor, in every classroom, full trained and armed teachers, full swat teams escorting every school bus, heck, escorting every child to and from school...yet still the unsub will find a way to kill.

What if one of the rational officers goes off the deep end and kills, who can say who is sane and who we should be looking at? The signs are not always there. Many are simply over looked and therefore go unnoticed.

Even if guns are locked away in a gun vault, the child knows who has the key, probably knows where it's hidden and has opened the vault many times when the parents were away. For that matter, the child could simply kill his parents, take the key and open the vault and kill.

If a person wants to kill, someone will die. No one is ever fully safe, nor will they ever be.

Live life to it's fullest...it has an expiration date!

I guess you would defend this guy's right to own a gun.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-firefighter-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

ReverePaul- William Spengler didn't have the "right" to own a gun. He was a convicted felon. So his firearms were obtaioned illegally and he then committed illegal murder. What do his crimes have to do with another persons right to lawfully own firearms?

I don't know, why don't you ask the firemen's parents what his crimes have to do with how easy it is for people to attain guns, legally or illegally.

Dr. Detroit
ReverePaul, I'd estimate that there is any where from a trillion to several trillion firearms in this country alone. Most of them are owned by mentally sane individuals that have purchased them legally from a licensed gun dealer, then there are those that have been handed down from father to son again and again for generations, some have been brought back from war, then there is the criminal element, some have actually purchased them legally before they turned to crime, others through loopholes in the law, others behind closed doors, in alley ways, under another's name, by a friend, still others from a stranger, etc.. There are millions of guns ready to be sold to "anyone" who has the money to pay for one by both criminals and even licensed gun dealers who put money above everyone else. Then there's those who simple will steal one from where ever they can. Getting an illegally owned firearm isn't all that difficult to do. Getting one by legal methods, well that depends on where you live and the gun laws in your state.

I have heard a St. Louis expert say the TOP two priorities required are briefly:
(1) More police patrols in high crime areas.
(2) Make the access to guns that kill many people at one time hard to obtain.

Feb. 2, 2013
White House Release shows Obama shooting a shotgun with smoke coming out of the muzzle as well as the top of of the upper barrel. Obama says he shoots clays at Camp David. I never heard of a shotgun with a compensator. What about the lower barrel, does it blow downwards? Wouldn't that raise the shotgun upwards? The article calls the shotgun a RIFLE. It actually goes into some detail about Obama's index finger being on the trigger and the "rifle" being cocked in his shoulder. If you take a close look at the person doing the shooting, hoping not to sound racist and I apologize if I offend anyone, isn't the person doing the shooting a bit white to be Obama?

RE: The Photo - Who shoots clays when it's that dark without the use of lights. Obama says he shoots clays as though he's on the side of us that support the 2nd Amendment and appreciates firearms but does he really shoot firearms or is this just another one of his ploys to gain interest of those yet undecided about his over-all aim in dealing with the 2nd Amendment and firearms in general!

It only takes me two seconds to relaod a handgun with a new magazine. Limiting the magazine capacitywon't stop mass shootings.

Then we must just eliminate magazines and clips and go back to what the REAL intent of the 2nd Amendment was - single-shot weapons.
After all, we are not better than the founders of the country, right? I'm CERTAIN you would agree with that, right?
You ARE comfortable with using the tools of the forebears, right? I thought so...